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Posted by Darcy on 2009-01-07 06:13:54
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| "Cardboard soy products"? Have you bothered to research the fantastic meat alternatives out there? Try Quorn, Veat, Gardenburger, Boca, Morningstar Farms, Worthington, etc. Perhaps the article could have been represented better in the opening description; I didn't continue reading simply because it already appeared it wasn't based on actual research...just one person's narrow-minded opinion. |
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Posted by anon on 2009-01-07 06:58:52
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| Darcy, Did you know that some of those "meat alternatives" are worse for you than just eating meat to begin with? They aren't healthy just because they are labeled "veggie burger". |
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Posted by AJ on 2009-01-07 07:35:44
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| Meat isn't bad for you, it's that most people don't eat a balanced diet (i.e. not enough vegetables, fruits, and whole grains).
I personally think that a balanced diet, including appropriate portion-sizes of meat (a 16 oz steak is NOT an appropriate serving size!), is the healthiest way to go. |
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Posted by Darcy on 2009-01-07 09:35:04
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| Anon, you're attempting to put words in my mouth. I said nothing regarding meat vs. soy for health. I said that there are plenty of great tasting meat alternatives out there. |
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Posted by ThirstyApe on 2009-01-07 09:55:37
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| The Flexitarian Diet is a GREAT BOOK! It provides more than 100 easy-to-make, healthy and delicious recipes! The author is very knowledgeable and is very well known for her expertise. I have downloaded some more great recipes from her website, http://www.dawnjacksonblatner.com |
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Posted by Alli on 2009-01-07 10:55:36
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| "Vegetarian the 21st Century Way"??
Shouldn't just read "About Flexitarian"?
I'm a modern vegetarian, and no really, VEGETARIAN meaning I don't eat any meat! It's not being a "modern vegetarian" to be flexitarian, its hardly vegetarian at all. It's fair weather vegetarian.
It's ridiculous when someone needs to insult the real version of a lifestyle (vegetarian) by degrading it(card board??? I've never had anything tasted like cardboard!) in order to promote their watered-down version.
You can be an omnivore and live a long healthy life, or you can be a flexitarian (which really means an omnivore that has reduced the amount of meat eaten, not a vegetarian who eats meat!!!) or you can be a vegetarian and still live a long healthy life.
Whether you eat meat or soy for protein, its still about making healthy choices (I can simmer my tofu in a broth and it will be way healthier than if I fry it, same as deciding to poach or fry your chicken breast.)
Other factors in living a long life include exercise, not smoking, not drinking in excess... Eating "more vegetarian" or whatever does not guarantee you a long life.
This writer forgets that many vegetarians are veg out of ethics and compassion, for someone to call themselves a vegetarian and then still eat meat "once in a while" is an insult to that.
So in conclusion I'll just repeat: "Flexitarian" is still omnivore, NOT vegetarian. |
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Posted by Alli on 2009-01-07 10:57:36
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| I apologize for any grammar errors in my above post; I was that angry. I am spotting a few of them now. |
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Posted by Jenna on 2009-01-07 13:31:07
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| I think people are arguing about nothing here. The point is - being a vegetarian, or an occasional vegetarian is good for health. I think flexitarian is a very good concept - it helps convince people (at least my hubby) to eat meatless meals once in a while without feeling that he is a tree hugger. |
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Posted by Emmy on 2009-01-07 15:19:39
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| I disagree Jenna, I too was offended by the suggestion that this was vegetarian.
I think the description is a little misleading as the modern vegetarian does not eat ANY meat. I am vegan and eat no animal products at all. I'm all for people eating less meat so if this book encourages people to do so that's great and Flexitarian is a great idea, but I do agree that it is insulting suggesting that this is ‘modern’ vegetarian. Let's keep it what it is - people moderating the amount of meat they eat not cutting it out all together and thus they are not vegetarians. I agree that the description should stick to explaining what Flexitarian is. |
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Posted by Cai on 2009-01-07 16:07:52
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| About the cardboard soy thing, a lot of the soy versions of meat (for example, soy sausage) are much better than the real meat. (I used to eat meat, but have been vegetarian since I was 11.) Soy sausage isn't greasy and disgusting, but the taste was so similar to the real thing that we were able to trick my "meat-atarian" brother into eating it, and liking it! However, for those that are freaking out about this (while I disagree with the statement), vegetarian products are stereotyped as cardboard, and so are health foods. So don't knock it till you've tried it! |
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Posted by Leanne on 2009-01-07 16:49:43
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| Ok - I don't think the author of the book is saying that this is the Modern Vegetarian! The book title is "The Flexitarian Diet - The Mostly Vegetarian Way of Eating". She is advocating eating mostly vegetarian for health reasons. She is not saying that eating meat once in awhile is being vegetarian. She is not insulting anyone!
I have tried many veggie type products that have claimed to taste just like meat and I'm sorry - but they did taste awful! And then there are some that taste good.
To be healthy - look at your labels folks! Check out what has been added into the food to make it taste "just like meat".
The healthiest food is not manufactured but eaten just the way it was grown - fresh fruits and veggies - and you can add in grass fed beef and organic meats of all kind here. |
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Posted by David on 2009-01-07 17:03:17
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| AJ, I disagree with you, that meat is not inherently bad for you in modest portions. Take a look at the book "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. (The author is the professor emeritus of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University; he was the director of the biggest epidemiological study of nutrition ever conducted.) Dr. Campbell has explained why animal proteins (including dairy products) are carcinogens. |
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Posted by Sanguine on 2009-01-07 17:46:59
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| Im sure they were speaking in the fact that most meat eaters steriotype soy products to be "cardboard" like. Ive been a vegetarian/vegan (I'm technically a vegetarian but I dont eat eggs or drink milk, but I eat cheese. go figure) since the age of 17, and im 21 now. I get crap for being a vegetarian ALLLL the time. Luckily my Boyfriend is accepting and even loves the taste of some of my vege foods. Ive even talked his parents into eating some aswell. Ofcorse they are those type of people that dont believe a meal is a real meal unless theres meat and potatos... But I haven't heard negativity opon the taste of my meat-free foods. |
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Posted by Luke on 2009-01-08 00:43:55
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| Not all soy products taste bad but I have to agree that most of the soy products that try to imitate meat DO taste awful! I have tried many meat imitation products over the years from various food companies and although some are fantastic tasting, most are just not good at all. |
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Posted by carol on 2009-01-08 04:27:33
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| There isnothing wrong about eating meat .god speaks in his word that there are the ccean and the unclean, this is where we have to make the right choices . Being avegetarian is also acceptable ,because it is afast from meat. I personlly believe in awell balanced diet with portion control .because the things tha you do crave you are still getting in ahealthy way if you seek out the more healthy foods to eat . ther are superfoods to choose from. and than it is on the kind of diet thats best for you . |
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Posted by Niyi on 2009-01-08 07:45:57
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| We all know that too much meat can be dangerous to health. I will not tell anyone to either stop or continue eating meat but be careful and know that health is wealth. A word is enough for the wise. |
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Posted by joyty on 2009-01-08 12:53:15
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| I am vegetarian from 18 years.Everybody can survive without meat.I dont know why people kill animals to fill their tummies.For good health their is so many things |
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Posted by Preeti Raj on 2009-01-08 18:35:03
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| Most of the Vegetarians do not get enough protein. High carbohydrate diet can cause Obesity. It is better to have 150 -200gms of lean meat
(Chicken without skin and fish)Weekly twice.Vegetarians will not get enough Vitamin B12. Omega 3 Fatty acids, Protein and heme Iron.It always Good to go according to the food pyramids. |
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Posted by Darcy on 2009-01-09 08:35:15
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| Most vegetarians and vegans DO get enough protein! Check a list of vegetarian protein sources! Meat is not the only way to get protein! |
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Posted by Darcy on 2009-01-09 08:41:45
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| B12 is available in many foods, Omega Fatty acids can be found in flax and many other sources, we've covered protein, iron is in nuts, molassas, grains....please research food lists and read some expert books on vegetarianism before you assume vegetarians are nutrient deficient. I have my blood work checked every year....do you know what I'm lacking? Bad cholesterol! |
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Posted by Pearl on 2009-01-09 09:29:51
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| I agree with Darcy. Preeti just to let u know, I have been a vegetarian for the last 30 yrs, have raised 3 healthy vegan kids. Never missed on the "proteins and heme iron" you need to revisit the food pyramid. Like we say every coin has 2 sides, are we forgetting the dreadful diseases caused by eating non-veg, cancer?? rings a bell?? |
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Posted by Rea Sonable on 2009-01-09 10:15:19
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| Right on, Jenna. Everyone else, chill out. Have you ever heard the expression, "To each his own"? |
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Posted by Shabaka on 2009-01-20 06:36:55
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| The very title of the book absolutely corrupts the meaning of vegetarianism. Meat eaters,carnivores/omnivores/flexitarians, will continue to enjoy eating the dead flesh/carcasses of animals,that is their choice.
I just can't support the wholesale slaughter of billions of animals for human consumption and/or other uses. |
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Posted by Pat Joy on 2009-01-29 06:04:01
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| Just as an aside to the whole meat/no meat debate, doesn't anyone take into account that animals are panic stricken when they are about to be slaughtered and release chemicals into their bodies that are not good for people!!! |
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Posted by Donna on 2009-02-02 11:33:53
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| do vegetarians worried about animal slaughter where none leather shoes,belts,coats as well as wallets and purses!! |
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Posted by Chris on 2009-03-03 08:17:55
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| Donna, "wear non-leather".
Yes, some do. Are meat-eaters unable to spell? ...of course not. Neither do all vegetarians abstain from leather. BTW, vegans are more likely not to wear leather as they stay away from all animal products including eggs and cheese. Every little bit that we do in regard for our bodies and the environment counts, so to assume that because some vegetarians might wear leather no other good gesture counts is that of a closed mind.
Meat is poison, and apparently addictive also. As a vegetarian I have been attacked out of nowhere just for being vegetarian. It's the guilt I guess, that drives angry meat eaters to attack vegetarians. Please, go ahead and eat meat if you want to. Just recall when you are diagnosed with disease that only did the meat get you there, but also the anger. :-) |
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Posted by rosie dias on 2009-05-29 16:42:45
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| Maybe she is talking about being on a plant based diet. That would have been a little more correct. |
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